A software company sat down to figure out how to ship better products — and accidentally wrote a theology of work. In this episode, Josh and Eric step away from interviews for an unscripted experiment: bringing a biblical imagination to bear on Shape Up, the product-development methodology from 37signals that quietly reshaped how they lead teams and do their daily work.

Using the story of Daniel in Babylon as a frame — accept, resist, infuse — they dig into why "how much time is this worth?" beats "how long will this take?", how appetite and the circuit breaker confront our arrogance and covetousness, why cool-downs look a lot like Sabbath, and what honest project tracking has to do with not bearing false witness. It's common grace, finitude, and getting real work done — all in one conversation.